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You cannot lead if you send mexxed missiges. GWB

“How can we get our troops out of a disastrous war?” Then, the clear-minded, tall young men said, "In ships." It's a little more complicated than that now, however.

Source: Greg Palast, 2004-10-04

Candidate: Big Government

Mexxed Missages aside, one clear fact emerged from the first "Presidential Debate"...America needs another choice.

Sadly, both George Bush and John Kerry are not up to the task. Is it Yale?

Here's Palast:

Mr. Small vs. Mr. Tall
By Greg Palast, AlterNet. Posted October 1, 2004.

If you look at presidential debates the way the media plays it, as something akin to Olympic figure skating, where you score for the competitor's style, you could say Kerry won. But did we win anything? Our President told the debate audience, "You cannot lead if you send mexxed missiges." I certainly hope not.
But that's exactly what we got. You watch our President, the nervous hand-hiding, the
compulsive water-glass-fondling, the panicked I-wish-I-had-a-whiskey look, and you think, "My god, this is the guy who's supposed to save us from al Qaeda."
And how are we going to win the War on Terror, Mr. President? "First of all, of course I know Osama bin Laden attacked us. I know that," he said. We
ll, that's a start, I suppose.
But it doesn't have to stay this way. This is America, home of the brave and where, I remember from school, we could vote for president and the votes would count. So we looked to the tall man next to him to show us the way out.
In Iraq, "We don't have enough troops there," said the tall one. Really, Senator? We should send more? Not exactly: Mr. Tall's got a plan to get our troops out. He'll have a big meeting of "allies," and after he talks with them, they will all jump up and volunteer to send their kids to Fallujah. France and Indonesia and Kuwait can't wait to ship in soldiers and extra body bags. Right. We love you, John, but there‚s no band of Hobbits coming to the rescue – that's just a movie.
Well, he looked kind of "presidential." But given the line-up includes Nixon, Ford and two Bushes, that's not a big trick.
I'm sorry. I know I'm supposed to stand up and cheer that John Kerry didn't get Gored. In fact, if you look at presidential debates
the way the media plays it, as something akin to Olympic figure skating, where you score for the competitor's style, you could say Kerry won.
But I don't feel we won anything.
I mean, when Jim Lehrer asked how the candidates would make America safe from terrorists, Mr. Tall said he'd hire more firemen. And add more cops. Maybe he thought he was running for mayor.
It was disappointing, but then Mr. Small's answer was downright frightening. We have to "stay on the offensive," and "stay on the offense," and "I repeat, stay on the offense." We have no doubt that Mr. Small can be extraordinarily offensive, but even he can't take his offensiveness to the bad guys if he doesn't know where they are. And on that point, he's clueless.
There were two words I was hoping to hear from Mr. Tall: "Saudi" and "Arabia." Imagine if he laid it on the line, "The terrorists didn't put the hijackings on a credit card, Mr. President. Their Saudi sponsors are fattening on the bloated war-driven price of oi
l. But you can't touch your buck-buddies in the Gulf, can you, Mr. President?. As Commander-in-Chief, I'd cut'm off at the spigots, beginning with the release of oil from our Strategic Petroleum Reserve. And then I'd seize their fat assets in the USA to compensate the victims of terror attacks."
When Mr. Tall was asked what whoppers the President has told us, surely there was something a bit more memorable than Mr. Small's failing to win over allies for his wacky crusade.
Here's what Mr. Tall said – in my dreams:


* "Beginning in March 2001, your Administration began a series of meetings with oil company executives to map the conquest of Iraq and its oil, a plan Americans would pay for in blood. You originally called this scheme, 'Operation Iraqi Liberation' – O.I.L. We don't appreciate your little joke, Mr. Small."

* "One month after seizing Baghdad you fired General Jay Garner, the man you put in charge of Iraq, after he called for rapid elections in Najaf; after he refused
to impose your plans to sell off Iraq's oil fields. In Najaf, citizens denied ballots, turned to bullets. And then, as General Garner predicted, the seizure of Iraq's assets resulted in the type of war one expects – when seeking to impose colonial control."

* "Mr. Small, you claim we've given a thousand lives to bring democracy to the Mid-east. But so far, your democracy, Mr. Small, comes down to a puppet prime minister, we've installed in Iraq and a puppet government, the Saudis have installed in Washington."


OK, I can't expect all that in a presidential debate, where the message has to fit through a tube. But still, Mr. Tall could have won my vote with two words. It's the two-word answer John Kerry gave three decades ago when asked the same question – “How can we get our troops out of a disastrous war?”
Then, the clear-minded, tall young men said, "In ships."
Greg Palast is the author of the New York Times bestseller “The Best Democracy Money Can Buy.

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From:
2004-11-20 06:23:48
thank you to the country of chile for the bush
protest!... and thank you twice for knowing our
pain!

oh yessssssssssssss



From: Salman El-Arabi
2004-10-18 22:31:01
thank you linda,

here is a marvelous
article by e.l. doctorow, about dubya, i will post
the entire article but i do not want to abuse the
generosity and the big heart of this
forum:

http://www.commondreams.org/views0
4/0920-13.htm



From: Salman El-Arabi
2004-10-18 21:13:06
to the from 'blank' below,

yes the thai
care who is in power in the us so do the
senegalese, the peruvians and hundred of millions
of people all over the world.

in 1999 you
needed 92 cents to buy a euro. under the oil
junta in dc it reached $1.30 for a euro and today
it is $1.25 if bush is re-elected, i predict the
us dollar to drop to $1.40 for a euro. this is
the savings of the developing, and the under
developed world that these greedy hateful bunch
are squandering not just the american’s
wealth.

the oil junta says it is not bad
in iraq and the iraqis are happy to have their
country occupied and ruined and their resources
and history robbed at gun point; the american
service men and women know that it is not so and
when they act to contradict the propaganda machine
in washington and to protect their lives they are
put under arrest.

on the other hand, the
parties who are making billions out of this war
including dick cheney are further rewarded with
yet more lucrative contracts. big money tainted
with the blood of the arabs of iraq and the poor
youth of america.

here is four links that
will, hopefully, help give an understanding of the
nature of the neo zion’s war in
arabia.

the
accusation...

http://www.antiwar.com/orig
/shumway.php?articleid=3806

the
bonanza…

i looked in the internet for
photographs for the gis who refused a mission
because of safety concerns but could not find any
but one; however, i am sure they do not look
anything like these
officers:

http://www.titan.com/about/offi
cers/index.html?select=5

the destruction
of
iraq:

http://www.albasrah.net/index1.html



From:
2004-10-18 13:21:55
i for one, couldn't care less who other nations
want for president of the usa, arabs or anyone
else. do nebraskans care who california may want
for their us senator? do the french people care
who the usa prefers as their leader?

if
that is such a major concern, why don't we just
outsource the election and the let the un decide
who our next predident is?



From: Linda
2004-10-16 23:34:43
yes, salman, and we've all appreciated your
postings.

i noted the other day that the
tip was born in december, 2000, moments after the
supreme court did its dirty deed.


american was the hope of an enslaved
world. what hope is left if gwb steals another
four years?



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